Point Loma Robin

[Robear]

So these are the schools accepting bids to the 2009-10 Loma Round Robin Tournament:

California State University, Long Beach

Carroll College

Concordia University, Irvine

El Camino College

Moorpark College

Northern Arizona University

Pepperdine University

Point Loma Nazarene University

Rice University

San Diego State University

Southern Illinois University

U. S. Air Force Academy

University of California at Los Angeles

University of California, San Diego

University of Nevada, Reno

University of Oregon

University of the Pacific

University of Wyoming

Western Kentucky University

Western Washington University





Cal State University of Los Angeles

First Alternate

This will be my first robin so anyone wanna explain how it works?

[KCalderwood]

ETA: Hold the phone, WKY has a round robin team?!?

ETA 2: Generally, they are called "round robins", not just "robins"


the siu team will be Kevin Calderwood and Brandon Merrell. Todd Graham will most likely be our judge.

The invite will probably explain it easier then I can, but here is how it works.

20 teams are broken into four pods. That means there are 5 teams in each pod. Each round, one team from each pod will receive a bye.

You debate everyone in your pod once, in front of a three judge panel. Based on rumors I have heard, the fifth round debate is supposed to be between who the tournament considers the "first" and "second" seed in each pod (probably based on NPTE rankings). This could totally be a lie, but this is what I have always heard.

They clear teams based on W/L and then overall ballot count. For example, last year we cleared over USAFA in our pod (even though we lost to them) because we won 3 debates on a 3-0, and lost one on a 2-1. They won 2 debates on a 3-0, one a 2-1, and lost one on either a 2-1 or a 3-0.

Four teams clear to semifinals. Then it acts like a normal tournament. Usually there are seven judge semifinal panels.

The two teams in finals generally debate in front of a nine judge panel, that is made up of mostly judges from the community. One year we had two different people running for the same seat in Congress, and another we had a panel ranging from Bill Neesen to Gary Rybold to members of the San Diego-area community.

I hope this helps.

-Kevin

[Robear]

thanks kevin that explaination is good enough for me

[SoCalian]

1. I have no idea what is up with the WKY team. My guess is that they would be coming out for IEs and LDs anyway, and since they had a bid, decided to accept it? Or at least that is the plausible scenario I have constructed in my fragile little mind.

2. The inner workings of the RR are a mystery shrouded in secrecy with a helping of intrigue. Either that or I just haven't bothered to figure it out.

3. If you are in the final round, our poli sci professors have been used in the past. If that is the case this year, feel free to ask me about them.

[andrewthepirate]

I'm pretty sure the pods are organized by NPTE rankings (kinda similar to the pod system in the World Cup using FIFA rankings). I don't know the exact system of organizing the pods, but I think Konrad has done it (if he doesn't still do it) in the past.

[Robear]

Originally Posted by andrewthepirate

I'm pretty sure the pods are organized by NPTE rankings (kinda similar to the pod system in the World Cup using FIFA rankings).

if that is the case then can i call them "pools" instead of "pods" cuz pods are just silly

[ajjenkinsa]

the long beach team will be jon and I. looking forward to seeing everyone in sunny san diego!

[Rybold]

The pods may come from the whale watching possible to do in between rounds.

hyperbole in defense of a metaphor is no crime...
Gary

[SoCalian]

Originally Posted by Rybold

The pods may come from the whale watching possible to do in between rounds.

hyperbole in defense of a metaphor is no crime...
Gary

Whale watching isn't possible, but there are lots of ships. The other day I saw an aircraft carrier, and one time I spotted a caravel.

[Rybold]

Ian,

Use you imigination. You don't need to see militarism in everything.

Watch whales - don't eat them.

Gary

[zapcaz]

The Pepperdine team will most likely (barring any calamities) be Jordan Kahler and myself.

[m andrews]

WKY is not listed as being in the Round Robin on the Point Loma Round Robin Website.

http://www.pointloma.edu/Communicati...RoundRobin.htm

[KCalderwood]

the list that robear posted and that i saw in the parli-l included them as a team.

interesting.

[SoCalian]

I saw the same list on the Parli-L. Maybe that was a list of teams that had bids, not ones that had accepted them?

Edit: the RR site also only has 17 teams listed, which means that there are three left to be put up. So, it could be that the list has not been finalized yet?

[Robear]

The list I posted is the list I received from Skip Rutledge himself, he asked all the recepients to post it on debate related websites.

[SoCalian]

ok, I told Skip about the confusion, and there should be an update posted to the Parli-L tomorrow, that someone (me unless someone gets to it first) will then cross-post here. Yay!

[Robear]

so is wky in or out?

[CJoffrion]

As much as I have enjoyed to Pt Loma Round Robin in the past, I can assure you that Western Kentucky will not have a team in the RR this year. Sorry, folks.

[glennprince3]

Aparna Bhaduri/Kern Vijayvargiya

[andrewthepirate]

Apparently WKY will not be competing and CSU LA will be taking their place. I would imagine that team is Mat Swanson and Juan Victorio.

[SoCalian]

For those of you not on the Parli-L:

Friends,

My apologies for the confusion regarding Western Kentucky, who will not be in the Point Loma Round Robin field this upcoming year, though we are looking forward to welcoming them again to the NFA LD group at the Sunset Cliffs Classic. This means that we can welcome in the team of California State University of Los Angeles, a team that was in a virtual dead heat tie with another one or two of the second round bids to be admitted. We hated breaking the tie on partial points, and are very happy to include CSULA, which is having a terrific year. For some reason the list of 20 schools is not accurately reflected on our home page, which will be corrected when folks return to campus next week from their Christmas/New Year’s break. Hopefully Ian will post this to Net Benefits. My thanks to those that caught this oversight.




Schools
California State University, Long Beach
Cal State University of Los Angeles
Carroll College
Concordia University, Irvine
El Camino College
Moorpark College
Northern Arizona University
Pepperdine University
Point Loma Nazarene University
Rice University
San Diego State University
Southern Illinois University
U. S. Air Force Academy
University of California at Los Angeles
University of California, San Diego
University of Nevada, Reno
University of Oregon
University of the Pacific
University of Wyoming
Western Washington University

Skip Rutledge, Ph. D. Voice 619.849.2391
Director of Forensics Fax 619.849.7015
Professor Communication and Theatre
Point Loma Nazarene University
e mail: skiprutledge@pointloma.edu
http://www.pointloma.edu/Communicati...ipRutledge.htm
"The function of education is to teach one to think intensively and to think critically. Intelligence plus character - that is the goal of true education." Martin Luther King, Jr.

[swanson]

Originally Posted by andrewthepirate

that team is Mat Swanson and Juan Victorio.

Zug Zug, Juan and I it is.

[JWill]

is the list of debaters representing the schools going to be released at any point?

[NVHogan]

The University of Nevada, Reno team will consist of Max Alderman and Matthew Hogan.

[Robear]

We should be able to handle debater names here, the el camino college team will be Robert Maxwell and Stirling McKenzie, the moorpark team will be Ebony Taylor and Joseph Laughon

[andrewthepirate]

I can guess at some of these. I would imagine UCLA is Chris Maciel and Matt Strawbridge and that UCSD is Hooman Hefzi and Franklin Cuevas.

[GiantsFan]

Originally Posted by andrewthepirate

I'm pretty sure the pods are organized by NPTE rankings (kinda similar to the pod system in the World Cup using FIFA rankings). I don't know the exact system of organizing the pods, but I think Konrad has done it (if he doesn't still do it) in the past.

NPTE ranking are close, but not the only criteria. We will not fill a pod with all California teams and have all the Northwest teams (just for example) in another pod. Regional diversity is pretty key.

There is no tabulation software that automatically grids out a round robin, so it has to be done by hand. In some years, the presumed #1 and #2 in a pod have met in Round 5 - in other years, that has not been the case.

I get help when setting up the pods, usually from people who are MUCH smarter than me. I send them to Skip and he approves or...

[SoCalian]

Katie Lucas and Daniel Nadal will be representing PLNU.

[Robear]

are there topic areas for this tourney?

[DEADMONEY]

Originally Posted by Robear

are there topic areas for this tourney?

no. not even close. though in the past, i believe they've taken topics from the state of the union. which is basically like saying, "read the news." there will most certainly not be anything you can call "topic areas."