6 degrees of Jed Link

[DreinCali]

It turns out this game is popular with Brian Shipley and friends too...

So, so far I can get Jed to myself, Audrey, Dan P., and even Dan Grossberg quite easily...and Nate Truitt, Colin Murphy, Will McDonald, and Patty Steck with a little creativity...but I can't get him to Brian Shipley or Justin or Alf without like 8 degrees..there has to be a better way...

We may have to start compiling our information on the Ninja Mafia thread to produce better results...ok, Brian? ;)

Enjoying my last days of vacation,
Andrea

p.s. and Amy, find the link between Russ and Heidi and we're drama sisters :)

[Western Amy]

I have the link dre (figured it out) but it takes more than 6.

[Western Amy]

scratch that, i'm wrong. but we don't need to go through heidi

[DreinCali]

Yay! Now I am completely interlocked into our incestuous little community! Well, I want to get to our male A-teamer, Alf, and I think I can do it in 5 but I'm kind of assuming something I could get my ass kicked for. Hmm..I don't know if it's that I'm a whore, or that my partners are (both Dena and Owen have quite a few links too). Viva partner-hopping and debate hookups!

Dre

[USC MissingLink]

i'm now taking applications for 1-link relationships. feel free to send a head-shot and a list of personal attributes to link@net-benefits.net.

application is not a guarantee of acceptance.

the newly single,
jEd

[Western Amy]

You kick ass dre! You're not a whore at all, just popular.

Backchannel me with some of that stuff, unless you want to give me the password to the NM forum ;)


Sorry Jed. You kick ass too. :(

[pattybar]

I'm a bit afraid of how this game is played... what counts as a 'link'....

What is really scary in the coach-world is to see the parli coach family-tree that came from Dan West and Marty Birkholt. It will only get worse when Jason and I start coaching up north... yikes...

Patty

[DreinCali]

Hi Patty:

The rules are, a link must be 1)a current or former debate partner or 2)someone the person has had 'romantic drama' with. 'Romantic drama' is a loosely defined term that includes, but is not limited to: dating of any duration, hooking up, unrequited love that caused drama (i.e. it does not count if no one knew or cared), or even massive rumors in debateland though nothing really happened. As of now, being someone's coach does not consitute a link as it makes the game too easy.

So see, the path between two noted rivals such as Jason Steck and Nate Truitt runs in 5 simple links through myself and Dena..Just doing our part to make the NPDA a friendlier place! :)

Amy, I'll backchannel you...if only you could see the NM forum where Brian is figuring out how Audrey connects to Murray Warhank...why I have no idea.

Andrea ;)

[DreinCali]

Sorry to hear that, Jed, really. but I must know, will you be running applicant head shots through hotornot.com? I will tell my single friends. Monique will be disappointed now that she's not single anymore. Oh wait, I hope Grant doesn't still read this site. Just kidding...

Andrea

[smiley30girl]

Alright Dre and Amy,
It's time you two members of the A team let me in...I want to play the degrees game, so let me see these connections I'm involved in.....
Hey Dre...how many degrees to get me to Brian Shipley?
Audrey :)

[DreinCali]

Hmm..darn, Audrey, I can't get you to Brian in less than 8. If someone would tell me all the U of Oregon or Lewis and Clark debaters Mr. Shipley has left heartbroken I wouldn't have to rout it through every time zone in the continental U.S....:)

Mink to Kalman takes 6ish, but there are an awful lot of ways to get from you to me...I am going to have to draw you a picture and send it to you, I think you will appreciate it. ;)

Andrea

and about that warhank one, ask Brian, I have no idea!

[NonEcdicus]

Audrey, I've currently got five people standing between us. (As if anyone really could come between us ;) ) However, that depends on a particular 6DoDD rules interpretation issue that Andrea and I are evaluating. There's a sketchy link under discussion in the Ninja forum (while we're busy not voting). We'll have to get back to you on it. I'll keep you posted.

Interesting thing is that there are fewer links between me and Jason Steck. :)

-Brian

[Beach13]

Actually Andrea, Audrey to Amy only takes two, but you would have to ask her to get that information.

[NonEcdicus]

Hmmm. With what I know, I've got us down to a legit 7 links now Audrey. And, it's actually quite revealing. I wonder if this accelerated connection to a fellow NW'er might bring us closer as well. Hmmm.

-Brian <img src=http://www-scf.usc.edu/~link/netbenefits/emoticons/snicker.gif ALT=":snicker">

[smiley30girl]

Brian,
I'm curious...I'll admit it.....

and Norcross, I can't get me to Amy in less than three.....so I'm intrigued by your ability to do so in 2.

Audrey :)

[DreinCali]

See, this is what I'm saying...the main problem with this game is that people don't want to admit their links in public, not understanding the grave importance of sacrificing their public image and dignity for a few minutes of Brian Shipley's and my entertainment. :) I personally reported all of mine in the Ninja Mafia forum, but then again, 1)they're all really a matter of public record anyway and 2)I can always edit them out later.

Dre :)

p.s. Audrey I sent you a graphic representation of our intertwining histories, let me know if you get it.

[NonEcdicus]

Dre,

Help out a fellow mafiosa . . . you gotta hook me up with a copy of that.

-Brian <img src=http://www-scf.usc.edu/~link/netbenefits/emoticons/drooling.gif ALT=":drool">

[Beach13]

After a ruling from the judges the Amy to Audrey link takes three. I still think there is an argument to be made for two but I have been overruled.

[DreinCali]

fine Brian, I can't deny you anything after your performance in the flag challenge...:)

and many thanks to my fellow ninjas. I express my Jed-Justin, Jed-Alf, and Jed-Brian problems in the morning and I have under-6-links solutions before midnight. Who ever said competitive debaters couldn't work cooperatively?

I am going to bed. I have learned way, way too much today. Plus tomorrow Brian and I are going to have to rule on such important affairs as whether extreme/public hatred, or the Irish debates, count as links. I have already determined that blood relatives are acceptable degrees.

Oh yes- and I would publicly like to say that Amy Kalman sucks at this game. She's not nearly enough of a debate slut.

Dre

[truthisjust]

hmmm... I will give you a hint Dre. Do not use your second criteria first on me. I do not dip in the debate pool of ladies too often. NOt that you all are not lovely, but I had one girlfriend for half of my debate career and the other half I was too shy.


Justin

[Western Amy]

Tribe: Uber Hybrid
Comment: Wow Dre, you have been busy. I appreciate the quasi-compliment ;) but ask Brian and he'll tell you I got some links for him. They don't involve ME being any more interesting, but oh well. I think I figured out how you got me to audrey in six too.

Thanks to audrey fro unmasking Mr. Beach13 (hi Brian, i've missed you!). To weigh in on the disputes, my opinion is Irish debates counts for partnerships. How could they not?

Counting deep and abiding hatred seems like it would open up another can of worms however. . . .

Just my humble opinion.
Amy

[DreinCali]

Thanks Justin. It is no matter. The lovely and popular Ms. Golhke hooks you into the debate web quite nicely, if I do say so...plus you have a much sought-after link, an ex-partner from a different state...

But yeah, if you would just go make out with someone from Colorado or Oregon, it would be easier. That goes for you too Amy.

[Western Amy]

Tribe: Uber Hybrid
Comment: Now, aren't we taking this a bit far? We do so much for your amusement already, but I'm out of debate now, and showing up to a tournament in CO and making out with a guy (or girl) simply for your game seems. . .well, obsessive. But then, you're talking to the girl who posted 500 times last week for an immunity challange she didn't win.

[saucyboy2004]

So, as I sit here, I'm kinda concerned. Has Alf been a debate slut and he doesn't know it? Andrea, how am I linked and intertwined into all of this? Feel free to make it all public....just to ease my little heart. ;)

Love,
alf

[DreinCali]

Darn, Alf, you're just my type of guy, willing to make his life public for the benefit of the forum. Unfortunately I don't have nearly enough dirt on you. You're even worse than Justin, who I can at least link to Cal and Colorado without Sally. Alas, you are stuck riding the Golhke train into the debate drama terminal...feel free to share any other information about yourself though...or how I can link Davis with UOP as now I am just guessing evilly...(is that a word?)

[Western Amy]

Dre-You can link Justin to Wyoming debate, if that helps at all.

[zacariasla]

dre
That davis link has got me thinking, those UC davis kids are pretty darn exclusive arent they, they let colin do most of the funny stuff. I do not know how to link them, maybe one time i got a hug from joy if that helps but linking through me gets you absolutely nowhere.
zack
PS Amy i already gave dre the heads up on the j man links

[truthisjust]

Now that I think about it Dre, I can link me to a few SoCal debaters (without using sally at all) in 4. I am sure I can link me to Jed in 6 but I do not know that much about debate gossip. I would help you out but some of the people I am not willing to out at this point.

This might help you another way though. I debated with Shannon Rogers who debated 2 years with CSU. I debated with Josh Wilkerson who now debates for Wyo. I debated with Ira Katz who debated for DVC but who also liked to move around the debate world. And that is all that would probably help you besides Sally.

[truthisjust]

And Dre... I would be interested in hearing your links to me and Cal/Col... but not in a public forum... back channel me, I must know what you know. jbsmileuop@aol.com

[Liz]

Okay, Justin, get ready-If I'm doing this right, I can link you to Jed in six degrees using people you don't even know.

[truthisjust]

well if I don't know them then it would not be revealing too much gossip about me.

[Liz]

It's true-you're only there by virtue of your ex-partner Ira. Backchannel me and I'll tell you...thereby preserving everyone's virtue, present or not.

[smiley30girl]

Ok, so I'm with Amy that extreme hatred counting as a degree makes the game far too easy.

And bonus points to anyone who can link Brian Shipley and I in the least amount of degrees....I just can't stand being a whole 6 degrees away from him!

Audrey :)

[Western Amy]

Remind me again, Brian? We had it worked out, i thought.

[truthisjust]

Does that time that I was stalking Audrey count as a link?? What if she liked it??

[pattybar]

OK, since I love the Kevin Bacon version of this... I need something thing answered...

Do parli camp debate partners count?

if not, then I'm dying to know who in the links to Jason/me either rode or wanted to ride the Pony??

Also, I challenge y'all to get to Jason/me without using Jon Lang... since Creighton debaters rarely hybrid and don't tend to transfer in or out, it could be a challenge.... notice that getting to old CSU doesn't help as Giersdorf only debated with Lang....

Also, coahcing someone is too easy but how about a connection via coaching the same team...for example, you could connect David Dirgo to Kevin McCullough by going from Kevin to Dan G, to John L, to Jason to Dirgo....

Patty

[Western Amy]

Camp partners must count, that's how i link to dre.

And as for the pony rides, i must defer to others to explain. . . .

[DreinCali]

OK, more clarifications from the czar. I am touched y'all are jumping on the 6DoDD wagon!

The rule on partners is that you must have debated together for at least 1 whole tournament. So camp partners count, but single-round deals don't. The only exception is the Irish debates because they are so public. So I link to Nicky Dunbar (camp) and Jenni DeRuosi (Irish) but not Jeff Edwards (camp exhibition debate).

And Patty, I am thoroughly embarassed that you don't know who links to Lang besides Colin (camp partner). I thought that was common knowledge, and the fact that his own coach doesn't know confuses me a bit...Let's just say a certain ex-UCLA debater still owns a 4-page letter a certain Mr. Lang sent her at her Easter Seals camp job 2 summers ago, along with some candy etc....does that clear it up? Though no, I will not use the phrase "wanting to ride the Pony". My lord!

As for other Creighton-ers, didn't Giersdorf hybrid with a Truman State person this year? And Jason had lots of partners besides Jon, right?

Andrea

p.s. and no I don't still have the candy. that would just be weird.
p.p.s justin, I said Cal and Colo but I meant Cal and Wyo. I was thinking I had a Rob Lee-you link but that was Sarah.

[DreinCali]

And stalking can't count, otherwise the game turns into "2 degrees of Dan Grossberg."

And Audrey, if you need to get closer to Brian you can always hook up with Bill Herman, that seems to be a popular activity :)

Ohh..Andrea's in a feisty mood today...

[smiley30girl]

HEy all,
Stalking doesn't count? That makes this game much more of a challenge.....

and when, Justin, were you stalking me? Tell me when and i'll tell you if I liked it. :)

As for Bill Herman......ummm, I want to be close to Brian, but I'm not sure I'm willing to make that kind of sacrifice. How do those two link? (i need this answer to figure stuff out)

Audrey :)

[Beach13]

Can I get a clarification on when really wanting to hook up with someone becomes unrequited love.

[saucyboy2004]

Secret info about UOP and Davis eh??? I don't know if I should actually make this public...but I've got a few stories. Luckily, they don't incriminate me...unless you count nats, but that's a different story.

Sorry I'm more boring than Justin....but do I really have to ride the train with Ms. Gohlke to the drama terminal?? She's an annoying travel partner....(I've got stories on that too...) ;)

~alf

[Western Amy]

Can I get a clarification on when really wanting to hook up with someone becomes unrequited love.

I think it would have to begin with AT LEAST both parties being aware of it, and possibly a few other people as well, in order to qualify as drama.

[DreinCali]

Yeah Alf, a different, vodka-soaked, story!

[USC MissingLink]

My God. I just realized that I'm only 1 link away from Grossberg!!! Ack!

jEd

[Western Amy]

How Jed?
:evil:

[truthisjust]

Audrey, I am stalking you now... thats a real pretty dress you have on.

[pattybar]

Ohhh, since I don't read Jon's mail, and he probably realized that he'd be tormented for years if news of a letter and CANDY were common knowledge on the team... it does not surprise me, but I did not know it either. No wonder his mother wanted me to point you out at NPDA...

Granted, I usually knew (or could guess) who he "liked" at any given moment but it was generally a momentary thing with him.... and I never knew if the subject realized she was the object of his affection... it was never enough to build a link on...at least to my knowledge.

As for Jason's other partners, Melanie was a one year only ... Jason Tebbe was a senior eons ago when Jason was a sophamore and Brian Mathey, while I can see his charm, is not the first person I think of as the object of unrequited love/lust.... and I don't think any of y'all have competed with those who had actual love/lust with Mathey.

As for Dan, there is some potiential with the one Truman hybrid, but since he took some time off between CSU and Creighton his CSU links are a bit old... unless y'all are in love with Brodak, Herman, McCullough or Audra Dyers...... getting intoxicated with any of the above does not count, neither does sleeping on their floor..... it makes the game too easy.

Here's a hint for your challenge.... David Graham... but the trick is knowing enough history to construct the internal Creighton links as all have long sense found sanity outside of debate.....

Patty

[USC MissingLink]

Jed > Kiki > Grossberg

there are at least 2 other one-link pathways that I am not at liberty do discuss, but that involve unrequited love on the part of Grossberg.

jEd

[Western Amy]

I think Dre or someone already removed the stalking loophole, because then i becomes 2 degrees of grossberg. But I am truly sorry Jed. <img src=http://www-scf.usc.edu/~link/netbenefits/emoticons/flame.gif ALT=":flame">

[NonEcdicus]

Audrey,

Simple Explanation: Bill has been stalking me for so long that it has transcended the bounds of the "stalking doesn't count" rule.

-Brian :)

[NonEcdicus]

And, Patty, you shouldn't sell Mathey and Tebbe short (I imagine they have enough trouble on their own). Although, I find it interesting to have just found myself connected to Diana Thomson and even Jen Parker in about 7 that way.

-Brian

[DreinCali]

No wonder his mother wanted me to point you out at NPDA...

That is so embarassing...<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif ALT=":o"> *hiding face in hands*

But at least that explains why, when I found myself in the elevator with his parents and I introduced myself, his mom said "Oh yes, I know." I couldn't figure out how she would know me unless she memorized what I sounded like saying "Hi, is Jon there?" from summer 2000...I'm so disappointed it wasn't team knowledge...I always thought Giersdorf was giving me knowing looks whenever I stopped to talk to them...but now I realize, that's just how he looks. Oh well, the blackmail is lost to history...

unless y'all are in love with Brodak, Herman, McCullough or Audra Dyers

No need to be in love...believe me, Billy and Kevin are quite important players in this game ;)
And I don't know the Creighton links for David Graham but there should be some linkages out of Katie Angliss and Tre Huxley, plus the new Irish debates criterion gives us Nate Truitt and Kevin McCulloch, popular guys.

Andrea

[DreinCali]

Well, if it's really good stalking....not just email weirdness (which both Dena and I qualify for)..then it probably is drama, I suppose. You be the judge!

[pattybar]

Sorry Andrea, things that happen in the summer are sometimes lost to history... too bad he didn't do it while living at Creighton house, then the whole world would have known.

My point with the CSU guys is that it needs to be something more one-on-one than drinking Jack and passing out on the floor :) )). I'm not sure I can handle the details, so please no sharing...

David Graham was partnered with a Creighton debater named Paul Butler to close-out DSR in about his sophamore year. Paul then debated with Sally Ngamtap, who "loved" Jason Tebbe who was Jason Steck's second partner... so if you can get to Graham, you can get to Stecks....

Patty

[NonEcdicus]

Suddenly Liz Kinnaman has multiple lines of links to Patty Steck. Who'd have thought? Hooray!!

-Brian <img src=http://www-scf.usc.edu/~link/netbenefits/emoticons/jump3.gif ALT=":loony">

[smiley30girl]

Hey all,
Justin....if you're still stalking me, I guess that can't count as a link until there's drama....

and i want to know Jed's other two link scenarios to grossberg.

and i'm working on a connection between shipley and i that involves only 6 links....waiting for clarification on it...

and now for fun....someone link my love Kristine to Bill Herman.

Audrey :)

[pattybar]

Brian,

It isn't that I'm selling Tebbe and Mathey short, it is simply that they are really nice guys and if any female 'loved' them, it would have been rather easy to get them... BTW, Soon Mathey will be in his 3L and Tebbe will be Dr. Tebbe -- yea!!!

If you can link to Mathey, you can get into the Concordia team via a "love connection" -- ( not Mathey's) -- do you know how that one goes?

Also, if you recall the last night of NPDA, when the Creighton van came back to the hotel and we were all laughing our asses off, you'll have a link to a school that has only been to NPDA once (2001) -- via miss "102 to 0"... do you know which school that is?

Patty

[NonEcdicus]

Wow, Patty, I had no idea of such pathways into Nebraska. You're a great resource for this game! I don't know the specific link story into Concordia, but would love to know it for future reference. I think a future project may be tracing the "genealogy" of NPDA champions so I'll need some ways to get to Heath and Rebekah somehow. (Might make a good dissertation project someday. ;) )

Also, you better believe I remember y'all's return with Mathey that night. One of the more pleasant moments for me that evening (as Zack and Ade, among those here, can attest). I think I've got a pretty darn good idea of whom we're discussing. I remember the conversation, for sure, including y'all's delight and Mathey's feigned embarrassment. I'm still putting the rest of the pieces together . . .

So glad to have joined forces with Andrea, our each having been a part of an independent evolution of this game . . .

-Brian

P.S. Audrey, I've got Kristine and Billy with 8 people in between, though I'm sure we can do better. Of course that ignores the Bill/Brian stalking connection mentioned above, which might shorten it substantially. ;)

[Western Amy]

Audrey--I may be able to shorten a lot of links if you can verify somehing for me. i'm sending it to you now.

[pattybar]

Brian,

I'll let you think about the 102 to 0 link....

The Concordia one works like this... once you get to Mathey, he was partners with Jay Koen (spelling ?? sounds like "cane"...) who dated Madeline Roepke. From Madeline you can get to Blackford, Bunderman, and Whatley which must get you to Heath.... although I don't recall the precise combination there, they changed partners a bit in their first two years (before Heath and Becky won NPDA...) The other sure way to get to Heath is via Leah Harmon who competed with Heath when Becky was student teaching their senior year and also competed with Whatley.

BTW, Di Thomson just graduated from law school at Creighton and is rumored to have a fantastic job right here in Omaha. She will also celebrate her 1 year wedding anniversary with a great guy from the Czech republic this year...

Patty

[DreinCali]

Any of you old timers remember the NPDA-Irish debaters prior to 2000? All I know are me-DeRuosi-McDonald, Mecham-Dunn-Anderson, and Graham-Truitt-McCullough. I believe 99 had Tre Huxley but I don't know anything else, except that the '01 team is good for jack squat as far as this game is concerned.

Andrea :)

[NonEcdicus]

Dre, off of the top of my head, I'm pretty certain of the following. I'll double check some records to see if I have anything else. I agree that this is potentially valuable information. (And, it would just be nice to compile it anyway.) If anyone has corrections or additions, please let me know (not just for game purposes)!

2002-Jenni DeRousi (Berkeley), Andrea Saenz (UCLA), Will McDonald (Notre Dame)
2001-Shane Mecham (Truman), Matt Dunn (Colorado State), Jason Anderson (Point Loma)
2000-David Graham (Point Loma), Kevin McCulloch (Colorado State), Nate Truitt (Claremont)
1999-Tre Huxley (Point Loma), Bill Herman (Colorado State), James Stewart (Northwest)
1998-Amy Weible (Colorado College), Jesse Gnehm (Willamette)
1997-
1996-Scott Ruthfield (Rice)
1995-Cheron McGuffey (Willamette), Ross Musselman (Bethel-KS), Neal Sample (Wyoming)
1994-

[NonEcdicus]

Just to be clear that there is no discrimination whatsoever involved with this game, I want to point out that I have ascertained that the following folks are, indeed, linked via drama and partnership to Kyle Hunsicker:

Amy Kalman
Jed Link
Audrey Mink
Andrea Saenz
Brian Shipley
(and, therefore, virtually everyone else in the debate community, from Big Poppa to Patty Steck to Liz Kinnaman to Tre Huxley to Rob Vartebedian)

(Amy is the closest, only taking five links, while Jed and Audrey require the most among the five)

-Brian <img src=http://www-scf.usc.edu/~link/netbenefits/emoticons/snicker.gif ALT=":snicker">

[pattybar]

more Nebraska connections...

If you can get to Paul Butler (via David Graham) you can also get into UNL...

Paul debated with Sally Ngarmtap who dated Brian Barjenbruch from UNL who debated with Nick Reisch -- who debated with both Bottlinger and Swafford....

Patty

ps, the thought that I'm linked in some way to Big Poppa is scary.. Chirs Banks on the other hand :) ))))).
p

[DreinCali]

Brian, I shouldn't take too many to get to Kyle (though I'm disappointed sleeping in the same bed with him and using his bathtub doesn't count)...that Nicky Dunbar link has to be good for something since she dated Russ from U of O.

I also think I have come up with a way to link 8 people named Dan to each other only using 9 non-Dans, but when I try to include one more Danny (Barak) it takes way too many...unfortunately most of those Berkeley kids' links are, well, with each other....

Dre ;)

[DreinCali]

also I noticed the almighty Brian Shipley took 8 intermediaries to link Ms Clancy to Mr Herman. A review of the data indicates only 6 intermediaries in my books. But clearly the easier way to go would be to know what trouble Geof Brodak is getting into around CSULB- like, if he randomly hooked up with Kevin Johnson or something..ok, well that's not the best example, but you know....

[smiley30girl]

As far as I know, both Geof and Kevin Johnson aren't going to do a lot of good for links....
Besides his partnership with Bill, Geof doesn't have drama I know of. He's behaving himself nicely in Long beach. :)

And for Kevin, being married has taken him out of the drama and hook up category.

Audrey :)

[NonEcdicus]

Audrey,

Just because Geof is not being "dramatic" in the LBC, doesn't necessarily mean that he's "behaving nicely."

-Brian ;)

P.S. Dre, I've got Kristine to Billy in 6 now. And, Audrey, you and I are down to 5 links--getting closer every day ;) (might be 4 tomorrow if we get a favorable ruling from Dre in the Ninja forum).

[NonEcdicus]

Audrey,

I'm so pleased to annouce that the judges have come back with a decision in our favor already. You and I are just four links removed from one another. Not too bad. I'll get you the gory details ASAP (although you are already aware of all of the specifics involved).

-Brian :)

[smiley30girl]

Brian,
Sweet! Let me know the specifics via email. And Geof is both minimizing drama and behaving himself.
Audrey :)

[DreinCali]

Who knew Dan Nelson would be unwittingly helping us out in this game on the parli-L? Didn't Brenna Bell debate with Kyle H? If so, we have uncounted new ways to get to Kyle...

[NonEcdicus]

Yep, Brenna was Kyle's parli partner throughout. This is beautiful!! I'd totally forgotten about Brenna being in the Irish debates with Dan!!
<img src=http://www-scf.usc.edu/~link/netbenefits/emoticons/bouncegrin.gif ALT=":grin">
-Brian

[papajames]

Hello,

I finally was dragged into this discussion by Brian Shipley begging me to read the posts. Such a sad thing to see a drunk dinner conversation turn into a post. But I can play the game better than anyone.

I think the rules should be refined for a more scandalous game. Only debate hookups count. None of this partner crap and stalking. That's like playing 6 degrees of "I debated you/drank a beer with you at a tournament" game. Hella lame.

Keep it dirty and the better it gets. As a way to avoid outing too many people too quickly. I suggest just posting initial start and beginning's of 6 degrees and go from there.


So, some people off the top of my head.

Brian Shipley .....................just about anybody really ! :)
(Audrey, Jed (in about 3 I think))

Kyle Hunsicker to ??????? BOB Trapp (just kidding)

Billy Herman to......................anybody


If you want to email, I'll spill to dirt for a couple of 40's.

James

[Western Amy]

Banks-
Done and done. Anything we shoudl know about yourself?

<img src=http://www-scf.usc.edu/~link/netbenefits/emoticons/bouncegrin.gif ALT=":grin">

[DreinCali]

Whatever James. Tell your boy Brian he can't use links other than debate hookups. I think he'll cry.
My rules may be less scandalous, but they're more inclusive. They make people who are mainly partner sluts, not the real thing, feel "in with the in crowd" (as an old regional Disneyland commercial used to go). Also under strict hookup-only rules I go from 7-8 links to 2 that don't go anywhere- much less interesting! I become utterly cut off from the debate world, all because I was actually talking to guys at debate camp the last two years while others were "talking." So sad. So there! Why don't you go drive a van for Willamette or something? :)

Andrea

[NonEcdicus]

I'm not so sure James is quite right about the "dragging." (But can I have points for recruiting him ;) ). Nevertheless, his input will be valuable, I'm sure, by whichever rules the game is played. I'm tempted to give him the Ninja password, to really get him up to date on the state of things.

And, James, you left one important link out:

James Banks........................pretty much anybody.

Welcome, papajames. :)

-Brian

[papajames]

Yes, Brian didn't drag me, I jumped headfirst!

Amy, the biggest mistake you ever made was dating someone from Roseburg. This is my problem, I have so many non-debate hookups that can come into play in the debate world, via various cities of the world. From Roseburg, Woodburn, Salem, Portland, oh, and a little place where everybody hooked up (except me...I don't really remember, but I did tear out my pants one night in the snow) called Glasgow, Scotland.


Boo-yah!

James.

And yes, I tried this on myself and I link up to like the 5 core people of the entire goddam game, so I'm a debate whore in the worst sense of things.

P.S. what's this password thing. You'll have to spell the password out in a Scrabble game tonight at my place.

[NonEcdicus]

Deal james, and we'll work on linking Andrea and Amy to the world, i know we could do Amy under "our" rules with or without her help, and I think even Andrea might be possible. And, maybe some Tetris, too. I bet I can beat you.

-Brian

[smiley30girl]

James,
Let me in on some of this secret info you're willing to spill for some alcohol.......
And as to whether or not romantic hook ups are the only thing to count, I'm not sure I'm for that. It seriously increases the number of degrees between Brian and I.

Audrey :)

[Western Amy]

Banks, can't we leave my boyfriend out of this?

I made a studious effort to avoid dating debaters. . .

[USC MissingLink]

yeah, cause you wanted to date someone you could actually win an argument againt.

sssssss! i am so damn witty! (Musher, 2000)

jEd

[Western Amy]

insult my boyfriend will you? just you wait jed link!!!

[USC MissingLink]

let's see if i can do a musher analysis of the levels of insult i was able to wittily produce.

1) In insulted your boyfriend's intelligence relative to yours by insinuating that you can win arguments with him.
2) I insulted your intellegence relative to the rest of us by insinuating that you cannot win arguments against us.
3) I cleverly hinted that your primary basis for dating was to win arguments and be in complete control, suggesting a social retardation.
4) While alienating you from the "in-group" at Net-Benefits by suggesting that you uniquely can't win arguments, I built the intelligence perception of everyone else at Net Benefits.
5) In the debate community, significant personal status is derived from successful argumentation, which was undermined by my post, undermining your personal status as well.
6) I cleverly pre-empted any attempt at retort you may have by challenging the very tools of argumentation that you would need to employ in order to do so.

I am witty, (Musher, 2000) ain't I???

:lol:

jEd

[NonEcdicus]

"Since she cannot respond to this scene transformation, he has in effect shut off that vein of conversation." (Musher, 2000)

[Western Amy]

Fancy talk there, Mr. "Wit"

1) That paper didn't look peer-reviewed to me, so I think we all could start putting names after our comments without them giving any extra credence. Therefore you are using extraordinarily weak evidence

2) Ms. Musher's paper rests on the faulty assumption that the show "change of heart" is unscripted, inconsistently with what you told us earlier. this means
a) she's probably gullible and thinks pro wrestling is real, casting doubt on her educational credentials
b) even if a is not true, she has rested her conclusion on an assuption you have told us is incorrect. Therefore the conclusion falls.

3)your post rests on the assumption that i cannot win an argument, as i think statistical analysis may disprove

4)it also attempts to prop up your own ego with a degradation of my abilities, which i think any psychologist would tell you is unhealthy.

Therefore
1) you are using unevaluated evidence to support your claims.
2) upon evaluation, your evidence is faulty
3) your own assertiosn are documented as incorrect
4) you may need some counseling

[USC MissingLink]

nice try amy, but everyone here knows the truth. there aren't any papers writen by professors about your wit... <img src=http://www-scf.usc.edu/~link/netbenefits/emoticons/deal.gif ALT=":evidence"> pthpthpthpth <img src=http://www-scf.usc.edu/~link/netbenefits/emoticons/deal.gif ALT=":evidence">

[Western Amy]

Professor?

I think not. . .do more research on the website, looks like pure undergrad to me. . .

And you drop all the arguments! Can't be THAT witty without working it out with the producers beforehand?

Maybe we should be nicer to Jed folks, after all , he did get dumped on national tv. . .<img src=http://www-scf.usc.edu/~link/netbenefits/emoticons/snicker.gif ALT=":snicker">

[USC MissingLink]

clearly, amy... dear. you don't know the whole story. but it's okay, we all give you a lot of leeway on account of your... condition.

[pats on the head and offers a lolipop]

As for her being a professor:
from her journal (www.parenthetical.net/par...92501.html (http://www.parenthetical.net/parenthetical%202002/092501.html) ) how can she have students that she's repsonsilbe for paying if she's undergrad. Furthermore, read the article again. Clearly, this woman is very intelligent; I mean look at her conclusions!

Amy, you'll probably argue because you don't understand what I've shown here. That's okay. I'll humor you. Just know that everyone's laughing at you.

jEd

[Western Amy]

jed, do you really think having power of students makes you a professor? will YOU be a professor next year? <img src=http://www-scf.usc.edu/~link/netbenefits/emoticons/snicker.gif ALT=":snicker">

And still no peer review on what was obviously a serious scholarly paper.


Ok, so maybe not undergrad, but you STILL haven't disputed the points above. . .most significantly her faulty assumption <img src=http://www-scf.usc.edu/~link/netbenefits/emoticons/deal.gif ALT=":evidence">

[NonEcdicus]

Come on, Amy, she's totally qualified to expertly comment on Jed's charms:

In the summer of 1992, I was a student at a camp for "academically talented youth."

(Musher, How Do Adolescent Girls Use Non-Standard English to Construct Conversation?, 2000)

[USC MissingLink]

amy, your true intentions are clear. you are just jealous that you don't have a link to post...

[pats on the head and offers a lollipop]

jEd

[NonEcdicus]

Musher is amazingly perceptive:

"Many men and some women regard being able to fight, argue, or insult each other as a sign of closeness precisely because it is generally unacceptable to behave this way.... The fact that people agree to break the standard rules of polite behavior shows that they have a special relationship, a fine rapport."

[Western Amy]

should i do it folks? should i?

[USC MissingLink]

awww....

((((((((((((((((((AMY)))))))))))))))))))))

[Western Amy]

Getting pretty tempted here. . . .

[NonEcdicus]

Jed, we've had talks before about the troubles you can run into with carded debate. Amy had a good point about "students." And it turns out she was right.

You'll learn that Musher graduated from college this last May (2001) at: www.parenthetical.net/old/resume.html (http://www.parenthetical.net/old/resume.html)

Sorry, man. <img src=http://www-scf.usc.edu/~link/netbenefits/emoticons/shake.gif ALT=":shake">

-Brian

[USC MissingLink]

clearly, Brian, this was her fourth or fifth degree...

jEd

[NonEcdicus]

Right, assuming that comment was witty and thus meaningful, you are counting her diplomas from pre-school, elementary school, junior high, and highschool, right?

-Brian

[DreinCali]

Back the the REAL issue...

Brian, if you can link me into the debate network under Banks rules, I'll be very impressed...as of now it seems it will only work if Arun Skaria made out with Bill Herman at some point...and I don't think we were all THAT drunk the last night of camp.

To bed.

Dre

[WWUPhil]

Screw the subject. That will make connections easier.

Masher:
B.A. candidate in "The Sociology of the Computer Age," a concentration of my own design.

Oh it seems that Jed is her case study for her Masters work. Maybe she will fall in love with her subject, gotta be better than the options at Brown, right... I mean a USC grad!

And she has to be an expert if she designed her own major.

Maybe those students she was paying were a) subjects of an experiement or b) were doing her work for her.

[Western Amy]

Papajames. . .i have it on good authority that you got nothing.

[Samopolis]

Sorry to interrupt the digression, but am I doing this right? You can use people on your own team, right?

Me (DVC)
|
Jess (DVC)
|
Vicki (DVC)
|
Matt Joye (DVC)
|
Aaron Ehrlich
|
Grossberg
|
Kiki
|
Jed Link

This is a fun game.

[zacariasla]

Sam
They have to be either an ex partner or ex romantic interest not just team mate.

[Western Amy]

From what i can see, he seems to be doing the partner thing right, but I don't think Kiki is claiming a single link to grossberg. Remember, we said stalking DIDN'T count.

[USC MissingLink]

well, kiki wasn't a stalking issue. they had a valentines day date planned and everything. so that was reciprocated and i think a legitimate link.

jEd

[Western Amy]

I stand corrected.
You win this particular battle of wits Jed Link. (musher, 2000)

[Samopolis]

Don't worry Zach, they're all legit.

[juddlegum22]

For a "debate" message board there really isn't much talk about debating going on here. Which is understandable seeing howas it mostly seems that former debaters are participating. Mostly, it seems to be about Brian Shipley's sex life. Which is not understandable because it really isn't a pleasant topic to discuss.

Ok, well, if any of you are coming to Claremont this month I'll see you there.

Judd

[USC MissingLink]

JUDD!!!!

You bitch. I hate Thomas Harding man! And I hate you :)

Welcome!

jEd

[Western Amy]

Judd--check On Case for debate stuff.

Say hi to Steve Woods for me, he was a great DoF

I saw that Thomas Hardy case when i was a frosh. Do you KNOW how boring that man's books are?

[smiley30girl]

Judd,
Welcome to the six degrees game....you should backchannel Brian, we've used you in some of our link stories.
Audrey :)

[NonEcdicus]

Judd, Judd, Judd <img src=http://www-scf.usc.edu/~link/netbenefits/emoticons/shake.gif ALT=":shake">

(As if a discussion about my sex life weren't a discussion about debate... :rolleyes: ) As happy as I am to "see" you, far more discussion has gone on here and elsewhere about your love life than my own--and that trend is likely to continue. As sure as I know that you are that any debate argument is refutable, I am confident that you "link" to any debater on the circuit one way or another.

I may be down visiting my brother in Pasadena during the Claremont Camp. If so, I hope to come by to say hello. E-mail me, by the way, Judd, I would love to know how things are with you and the law (shipleyb@bulldog).

-Brian

[SamM]

Hi! Jed emailed me after finding my now-infamous "paper" about his Change of Heart episode, and said I should wander over here because I was the topic of a number of discussions. And, wow! Apparently I am. An emoticon and everything. I'm a little terrified, I have to say. Guess that's what I get for writing it about a member of the National Parliamentary Debate Association, huh? Who knew? Jed's episode just happened to be on the afternoon I needed a topic for a very stupid anthropology paper.

(The paper was written in approximately 10 minutes the day it was due. I think I got a B, and that largely because the professor was impressed by any use of technology, such as putting a paper on the "web." Use that piece of information as you like to support or oppose Jed's claims of wittiness. :) )

I have to say, this is the funniest thing that's happened to me since I started my web page. It totally makes my day. Thanks, guys!

Sam

[USC MissingLink]

See!!!

Use that piece of information... to support... Jed's claims of wittiness.
(Musher, 2002)

[Western Amy]

Your card's looking worse and worse. I never debated policy, but even i know your evidence is poor.

Use that piece of information... to oppose... Jed's claims of wittiness.
(Musher, 2002)

[USC MissingLink]

yes, but you are taking it out of context amy. besides, i have become close personal friends with the author, so i am privy to framer's intent while you are sorely oblivious to it.

jEd

[Western Amy]

close personal friends huh?

Did you tell her how BEAUTIFUL her eyes are?
Tiffany's complaint about this style of flirtation is that it's "sleazy," but there is something else wrong with this use of metaphor.

[ML]

Uh, what do you mean by:

"Say hi to Steve Woods for me, he was a great DoF"

Huh?

ML

[USC MissingLink]

uh-oh amy... you jealous? <img src=http://www-scf.usc.edu/~link/netbenefits/emoticons/smoker.gif ALT=":smoker">

how's your hangover?

jEd

[Western Amy]

Steve's teaching at the Claremont camp. I didn't think i was going to get a chance to see him again before i leave school, so i wanted Judd to say hi.

I don't really understand the confusion. <img src=http://www-scf.usc.edu/~link/netbenefits/emoticons/shake.gif ALT=":shake">

[Western Amy]

I'm not hung over.

Jealous? If only i could be on such a game show. . . .my life would be complete. Jealous? I want your life Jed Link!!


















But only because your honors thesis is done.


:lol:

[USC MissingLink]

actually... it's not done yet...

jEd

[Western Amy]

<img src=http://www-scf.usc.edu/~link/netbenefits/emoticons/rollin2.gif ALT=":rolling">

Even better!

[ML]

Okay, that makes sense. Speaking of him in the past tense (although I do realize for your fancified graduated self it is the past) made me wonder if he and Phil had gotten into some sort of "deontological rift", and prompted him to move to warmer climes. Thank goodness.

Okay, everyone can resume the randy gossip....

ML

[Western Amy]

I ain't THAT fancified ML, simple slip of the tongue. Steve IS a great dof.



<img src=http://www-scf.usc.edu/~link/netbenefits/emoticons/wave.gif ALT=":wave">

[NonEcdicus]

Jed says: uh-oh amy... you jealous? how's your hangover? Amy says: Jealous? If only i could be on such a game show. . . .my life would be complete. Jealous? I want your life Jed Link!!Musher, 2000 says: Jed has the higher status, which he is trying to maintain . . . Jed's insult is clearly the more clever of the two. Musher, 2002 clarified, though, that her previous analysis amounted to (ellipsis-free): a very stupid anthropology paper

Clearly, I'd add Musher to your resume somehow if I were you, Jed. ;)

<img src=http://www-scf.usc.edu/~link/netbenefits/emoticons/musher.gif ALT=":musher">

[USC MissingLink]

<img src=http://www-scf.usc.edu/~link/netbenefits/emoticons/shame.gif ALT=":shame">
my god! you are all so jealous that i have an accademic paper writen about me and none of you do. petty, petty <img src=http://www-scf.usc.edu/~link/netbenefits/emoticons/shake.gif ALT=":shake">

[NonEcdicus]

my god!Are you talking to yourself, Mr. Object Of My Eternal Jealousy?

-Brian :)

[Hollywood Gringo]

Hey all, saw the topic and couldn't resist. Well if we step back in time. .<didlle doo, diddle doo> . . I can probably link myself to every single collegiate female CEDA debater in the Mid 90's. . . How you may ask???? I had the honor of working with the playboy of college debators James Adams formerly of Point Loma fame. The only guy ive ever seen actually be able to pick up a woman during a 2NC, in Policy no less. How's that for priorities for ya? Ahhh the good old days. Hope y'all enjoy your summer

[USC MissingLink]

i didn't know "picking up" was allowed at Point Loma... ;)

jEd

[DreinCali]

Hi everyone! Just wanted to say the Teach For America Institute is going great- crazy intense, but great. Also, I already met a CEDA debater from McNeese, an IE-er from U Texas, and an ex-LD-er, so you know it's all good. Also this dude from Western Washington, who was wayyy impressed that I had heard of his school and knew where it was!! I met a girl from USC but sadly, she had not hooked up with Jed :( She DID know Dena though!!

:) Andrea

Oh yeah, and just for some comedy, I am teaching middle school math and science this summer. Yeah, I haven't had a class in thouse subjects for years, but hey, I'm flexible. My normal placement's going to be secondary ESL though.

And Zack, you were right, no one cards here..and damn, the drinks are strong!

[Hollywood Gringo]

Well i think it's ok if you say a prayer or something

[zacariasla]

I told you, i hope you are having a blast.

On a side note, wouldn't all of the guys here have had trouble if you had a teacher in jr high that looked like dre <img src=http://www-scf.usc.edu/~link/netbenefits/emoticons/sexy.gif ALT=":sexy">

[Western Amy]

I went to a really new high school (i was in only the 2nd graduating class) and we had a LOT of young female teachers who i understand were the lust objects of many young men. Take some advice Dre, if you choose to date any of the teachers, don't do it as publicly as mine did, it got rather nauseating.

You kick ass! I hope you're having a great time.

[USC MissingLink]

I met a girl from USC but sadly, she had not hooked up with Jed

WHAT??? I missed one?? shit!

jEd

[NonEcdicus]

That's OK Jed, no worries, with the material Dre and I have compiled on you, I'm sure we can link her to you pretty darn quickly nonetheless. <img src=http://www-scf.usc.edu/~link/netbenefits/emoticons/snicker.gif ALT=":snicker"> Now if only we had the historical details that Gringo has to offer. :)

-Brian

[USC MissingLink]

oooh, i wanna see!

jEd

[dreincali]

ahh, the memories of this thread. All the Change of Heart/Musher stuff in the middle too :p

I thought I'd take this moment and location to say, tonight a movie buff friend told me if I was from LA and lived among celebrities like I claimed I should be able to link MYSELF to Kevin Bacon. It took a little work, but I did it. If you're bored enough to follow along:

Andrea was best friends with Jordan Wood, 1986-1992*
Jordan Wood is in "No Prom for Cindy" with Estelle Harris (George's mom on Seinfeld)
Estelle Harris did voices for Toy Story along with Tom Hanks
Tom Hanks was in Apollo 13 with....<strong>Kevin Bacon!</strong>

*For you purists who say "best friends" isn't a legit acting link...ok, Jordan and I were both in the acclaimed production of "The Fairest Pitcher in the Land" at Minnie Gant Elementary, 1991. She was the wicked queen, I was the magic mirror. Ha!

time to nap,

Dre

[USC MissingLink]

aaaahhh... good times. :D

jEd

[NonEcdicus]

Andrea, while I am genuinely impressed, I really think it was unnecessary to move this thread up in order to share your Kevin Bacon link story. Some threads are best left on the trash heap of history. ;)

<img src=http://www.net-benefits.net/emoticons/musher.gif ALT=":musher">

[DreinCali]

Is that because people will now see half this thread was Shipley gossiping? ;)