101 Reasons to Hate George Lucas

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1: He's an asshole (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/ae/movies/jump/1381119)

Feel free to add; I will...

jEd

[McCaig]

2. Jar Jar Binks

Meesa wanted to shoot whatever the hell that annoying thing was.

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3: The Attack of the Clones
4: Episode I
5: Threatening to make N'Sync Jedi extras

[Samopolis]

6: Those ridiculous flanneled shirts.

[Samopolis]

7: Darth Maul, the central villain with three speaking lines

[djtj]

bad reason:

Evil Dead's central villian was "the evil" and it had NO speaking lines. you gonna tell me Evil Dead/Sam Rami was a shitty movie/director?

woulda ruined Maul's fear factor had he spoken more, imho.

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I think that speaking parts is only a symbol of the fact that he had almost no screentime. Granted, villians don't always have to talk (and sometimes its better when they don't) but in order for them to be truly memorable, they have to be on screen for longer than a few scenes.

Anyone here seen The Phantom Edit? I wanna get a copy of it.

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8- Because he's killing the economy (http://film.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/Exclusive/0,4029,708678,00.html)

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9 - Attack of the Clones - this movie is SHIT!

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10 - because 4 of the first 5 names to roll in the credits for AOTC are "George Lucas"

11 - because he thinks that Star Wars belongs to him.

12 - because he patronizingly makes references about Star Trek, as if his sci-fi universe were somehow more important.

13 - because he refused to watch The Phantom Edit and thereby learn something about how to make a movie.

jEd

[Western Amy]

14. For making me dislike a natalie portman movie

15. ditto for Samuel L. Jackson

16. Ditto for Ewan McGregor

17. Hiring whoever that was to write "attack"

18. Casting that kid. Boba Fett deserves better.

19. DIALOGUE!!!!

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20: Not enough Natalie Portman in gold-bikini style clothing

[Samopolis]

21. Those very, very blatant nipple shots of Natalie Portman. (Actually...no)

[WWUPhil]

You shouldn't hate.

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22. He is aware that he sucks and afraid to let someone better take over (Click Here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/film/newsid_2110000/2110630.stm))
23. He reduces great directors to groveling babies and then farts on their faces (Click Here (http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_623549.html?menu=news.latestheadlines))

Question: If Star Wars is Lucas' baby, where do I go to report him for child abuse?

[truthisjust]

I haven't really said anything in all of the star wars talk but I just watched two of the old starwars movies last night and I just have to ask, what the hell did you all expect? You all say you are huge star wars fans and that Lucas is ruining it through his crappy dialoge and story lines.... but come on, was the dialoge good at all in the first ones... noooo. It was horrible. The movies were loved at the time because of the special effects (which I think the new ones still have)... all the problems you all complain about now, the old ones have also.

[AClare]

You're trying to tell me that the Star Wars trilogy wasn't really, really cool? Ok...the dialogue was lame, "She don't look like much, but she's got it where it counts..." "'I love you'/'I know'" yadda...but at least the plots where semi ok. But look at episode 1--what was the plot there? What was the reason for the pod race? It was a total Ben Hur knock off right down to the destroying of the carts, and it's only cool part was the special effects which were done by a computer not particularly artfully, and wholy unimpressive. Then the random death of Liam Neeson. Liam Neeson and Ewan McGregor carried that movie and they killed one of them? Sheesh. And the love thing between Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford was soooooo much less forced. Now, Natalie Portman may be cute but even at the tender age of 19, Carrie Fisher was a much better actress--and we won't even discuss "Annikin" v. 'Indiana Jones." The whole, "I hate sand/Everything here is so soft, and smooth and yadda" crap made me want to vomit. The dialogue should be cheesy, but the casting! Oh, the casting...Jake Lloyd...oh, God, I could have played a 9 year old boy better than he could any day, and need I mention that I'm slightly older, female, and a terrible actress to boot. Then what about the fact that Darth Vader is the coolest villian ever--can crush your wind pipe with his mind, but at the very end turns out he's good...wow! Now that's dramatic tension...

please, don't be dissin' on the original trilogy. Back then, a movie was a movie, not a product to be sold, merchandized, and packaged in pieces small enough for 4 year olds to swallow.

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Welcome to Net Benefits Clare! Introduce yourself!

jEd

[truthisjust]

I enjoyed the original trilogy. I really did. That is not what I am saying. I am saying that all of the complaints about the last two could have been made with the first three also. What did you expect?

And maybe there was slightly more plot in the first three... but only slightly. And yes the first three were products to be sold, they just didn't have the same money to do it with. As someone who once owned a lot of the starwars toys, I can tell you that it is and was a comodity.

[USC MissingLink]

One phrase describes the difference between the first trilogy and this one:

Necessity is the mother of invention

In the original series, the things that Lucas wanted to do had never been done so his special effects team had to be creative. Nothing was taken for granted. It gave the movie a dirty, worn look, which made it realistic (for me, it's this look that makes movies great - Braveheart, The Matrix, Lord of the Rings, Heat). Now, Lucas has money and technology coming out of his ears. He can do anything so invention is unnecessary. Creativity is gone. The movies are prestine and clean; they look fabricated. Every single scene is computer enhanced. Imperfections are digitally removed. As a result the Star Wars universe isn't believable. This makes the horrible dialogue harder to swallow.

And the origianal series had some great dialogue too:

"I'm a nice man."
"No your not, you're a scoundral"
"You like that I'm a scoundral"

"You've got a lot of nerve showing up here... ... how you doing? It's great to see you!"

"I've just made a deal that will keep the Empire out of here forever."
...
"This deal is getting worse by the minute"

Granted, the lines may be corny, but the skill with which they are delivered is vastly superior to the crap that Lucas produces now.

jEd

[Western Amy]

Aclare, are you Clare Silter from PCC?

I bet you don't remember me, but it's nice see you (I think we hit at the Listen to Me)

[Hollywood Gringo]

24 - Being a big wa wa baby and not letting Spielberg in on the last one. . .so far

oh ya and how come when i pop up on this board Jed doesnt say a word. But in pops a girl and he's alllllll over it. . . whats up with that huh???? hope everyone had a cool 4th

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um... 'cause i'm pretty sure you already introduced yourself... but if it makes you feel better.

Hey Gringo! How's it hangin'? You are so cool. I love you man!!

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jEd

[AClare]

Yes, I am indeed the Clare Sliter from PCC...that other Clare is an imposter (I hear you say it, you say "What other Clare?" and I am pleased that her evil plot has not reached you before I have).

I'm not actually sure what to say in my introduction of myself, I go to Portland Community College (and feel no shame), I've been debating for about a year now, I really enjoy it (lord knows if I didn't, I'd quite, it's a lot of work), and I'm really enjoying workshop. I feel like I'm learning a lot and it makes me very excited for next season. Especially because I don't see TOO many people here from my home circuit and it makes me feel like I'm being let it on a secret weapon. When I started debating last fall under Larry Galizio, I was the only person there who had not debated before. (We have a tiny team). And so, I never really got "taught" to debate, just kind of thrown in there. I heard, "Oh, you'll get it" quite a bit. It's shameful how long it took me to get the concept of criteria. Because I was just thrown it to sink or swim I never really learned the "strokes" in a manner of speaking, and now I feel like I'm getting the little details and filling the gaps and getting a much better understanding of the substructure of debate.

I do agree, however, with the idea that we should leave the hand-on-the-head thing behind during points of information. Perhaps that should be an entirely different strand conversation :) .

I guess that's a bit of an introduction. Thanks for the interest :)

[Samopolis]

it makes me feel like I'm being let it on a secret weapon.

Yeah, picture me (a young freshman debater) stumbling across this place back in February. I was like "SCORE!" There was this tight little thread back then called "the Can-Can" but Jed deleted it. Anyway, there aren't very many underclassmen around here, Clare, so welcome to the club. Don't mind the old farts. :)

[AClare]

I dont' like the term "Underclassmen" I'd prefer to be called "Barely Legal" if you don't mind :<img src=http://www.net-benefits.net/emoticons/snicker.gif ALT=":snicker"> ::

[Samopolis]

25 - Oversaturation of CGI

I honestly don't think it outlandish to say that at any given point in AOTC seventy percent of what you are seeing is computer generated. We're not just talking Yoda and a few spaceships here. Whole sets and crucial characters find themselves tangibly-challenged. Granted, the power of CGI technology has grown immensely in the last decade (even in the three years since Episode I) yet it is still unable to present a compelling alternative to reality.

Indeed, CGI has transformed the vast, scary, and exciting universe of Star Wars into a campy, almost cartoonish wonderland. Gone is the harsh, brooding presence that the Tunisian desert gave to Luke Skywalker's home planet Tatooine. In it's place we see computer-generated sand dunes, whose uniform texture and lighting cheapen the experience in a serious way. Yoda, once a painstakingly constructed and manipulated puppet, now zooms around in a floating chair and pulls the kind of mid-air acrobatics that would make Keeanu Reeves drool. As a child watching The Empire Strikes Back, nothing drove home the invincible might of the Empire more than the fearsome AT-AT walkers slowly, unbendingly marching their way across the ice world of Hoth, bringing death and destruction to the brave Rebellion. The size and scope of the equivalent battle at the conclusion of AOTC is much larger and much more visually impressive (thanks to CGI), yet somehow rings very, very hollow. Natalie Portman running around in an obnoxious Britney Spears getup really didn't help, either.

To boot, computer imagery seems to have played a major role in the degradation of the film's dialouge. Chemistry between characters is perhaps the most important component of any script and AOTC falls nothing short of completely flat on its face in this crucial category. Imagine an actor standing in front of a CGI screen, reciting his lines to a CGI senator in a CGI office on a CGI planet and its little wonder how the human element got lost in the mix. It really does seem long, long ago in a galaxy very far away that Alec Guiness sat down with Mark Hamill on a swamp log to discuss good, evil, truth and the Force. Even a single line of his graceful Kenobian wisdom ("Bury your feelings deep down, Luke. They do you credit, but could be made to serve the Emperor.") would have been a lifesaver amongst the clumsiness of Lucas' script.

But that's reason # 26.

[r2d2c3po]

I can tell just by your comments, you have never created a damn thing, let alone anything as cool as Star Wars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So suck my dick!!!!!!!

[NonEcdicus]

Damn, Sam, you're in trouble.

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Reason #27

Fans who refuse to admit that the new movies suck, and think that because we do we are somehow betraying what used to be (and still is) a great trilogy.

jEd

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#28 - Lucas undermines democracy (http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/feature/1999/06/15/brin_main/)

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#29: He actually has fans arrested for leaking information on the internet... (http://www.msnbc.com/news/820229.asp)

(you know, it's ironic that almost every time i find an article about star wars or georgeo it's a reason to hate him.

jEd

[Samopolis]

Doesn't seem ironic to me. Makes perfect sense, actually.

[Sahhi]

The first time i saw star wars i ran into the room and saw Luke cut of Darth Vader's hand. From that moment on i was hypnotized by the magic and lessons of star wars.
They have been lost however and George Lucas is to blame but so is society. Luca is a sell out. He wanted a new younger audience and tried to make it flashy and appealing to America's ever stupifiying audiences and in the process all of the great things that made star wars so spectacular we lost.
The straw that broke the camel's back was the commercial for AOTC. Yoda - the wisest and probably most respected and looked up to character in the trilogy has been transformed into a cheep marketing item. HE USED THE FORCE TO SUMMON THE DVD!!!!! how degrading is that?
So for selling out the greatest thing i've known in my life i can't do anything but despize and loathe George Lucas

[spoon]

star wars is a complete rip off of tolkiens " The Lord of The Ring" trilogy. The plot, the character make-up, every way the story unfolds is almost identical. Every original Star Wars character has a parallel in LOTR. Even the way they meet is similiar ( Han Solo as Aragorn meeting the travelers in the tavern, is a prime example ). Tolkien wrote those books in the thirties and forties and every kid from Lucas's generation on up has read them. I think they influenced Lucas more than he would ever admit.<img src=http://www.net-benefits.net/emoticons/shipley.gif ALT=":shipley">

[spoon]

for any doubting thomases out there:Frodo=Luke Skywalker. Two simple farm boys from humble beginnings whose destiny is to destroy the ultimate weapon ( ring, death star ). Gandalf the wizard= Obi wan.Two kindly old "wizards" who take the unassuming young hero under their wing. Han Solo=Aragorn. Classic swashbuckler. Even meets up with the hero in the same type of locale ( dirty bar infested with assorted lowlifes ). Merry and Pip= R2 and 3PO. comedic relief. Sauron= emporor Palpatine. Nuff said. Saromon= darth Vador. Dark "wizard" representing darker "lord". Again, pretty self-explanatory. Gimli=chewbacca. Arwen= Leia. Both fall head over heels for the swashbuckler.The list goes on. Anyone familiar with both series will see the common plot threads. Just remember: Tolkien did it first.:mad:

[Samopolis]

Spoon -

I agree that there are some major similarities. However, that the two somehow parallel each other isn't too solid a theory IMHO, as the differences abound (Peter Jackson actually being a competent director comes to mind first). Some holes in your theory:


Ring = Death Star

The Death Star is not the all-consuming focus of the Star Wars Trilogy as the Ring is in Tolkien's series. It is merely a prop in a much larger struggle. It doesn't even appear in the middle (and most substantive) SW movie.



Han Solo = Aragorn

It seems to me that Aragon differs from Han in *far* too many ways for this link to be made. Most importantly is that the moral stock of Han's character doesn't firmly consolidate to the forces of good until ROTJ, the third film. Aragon (whom you characterize as a "classic swashbuckler") is portrayed from the very beginning of the first film as a source of virtue and regal purity. He demonstrates the inner strength to resist the Ring's power several times within the first film alone and has a habit of risking his own life to save Frodo's. Han's whole character is built around his selfishness. You've got a good point about their meeting place, though.



Merry and Pip = R2 and 3PO

Again, there are some similarities, but it's just a classic "odd couple" angle that's been used in countless books and movies. Perhaps if they were gay in their mannerisms like the droids the connection could be made.



Sauron = emporor Palpatine

In his tangible form Sauron resembles Darth Vader far more so than Palpatine. Also, the essential quality of the Emperor in the SW films is seduction. Sauron does do this to Frodo (your Luke) to some extent, but it is through an intangible object (the Ring) and only towards the goal of reobtaining his lost possesion. In ROTJ, Palpatine wants to seduce Luke to the dark side on a personal level.



Saromon = Darth Vader

This is probably your strongest link, but even it is missing the keystone element. 'Vader' is a German word for 'Father' and his paternal relationship with Luke is the defining struggle of the trilogy. Saromon has fallen to the darkness in the same way, but he has no connection on a personal level to Frodo (your Luke). And though I haven't read the Return of the King (little help, Jed?) I don't believe Saromon ever finds the kind of redemption Anakin Skywalker does at the end of the SW triolgy.



Arwen = Leia

So they're both pale and beautiful and that makes them the same character? Leia is tough and gritty running around with a plaster pistol while Arwen is more a distant, mystical sorceress. Plus, there's no rivalry for her heart in LOTR as Luke and Han do in SW. Futhermore, Arwen's original role in the books was quite small and is greatly magnified by Jackson for the film's sake.


In short, both books are inspired by similar mythology and use similar themes, but to claim that Tolkien "did it" to begin with and that SW copied him is a little shaky.


Back to the homework,
~Sam

[spoon]

Thanks for the input on my argument, you brought up some good counters. I would still argue; however, that it would be simple enough for me to take someones book, like say Rowling's Harry Potter and make some COSMETIC changes to it and call it something else. Of course there are differences and yes, both draw inspiration from similiar mythologies, but the similarities are simply too close. Harry Potter draws from similiar inspirations, but the story is completely different from either of the other two. The common plot and character makeup in Star Wars and LOTR is too close to simply deny ( heck, even the subplots parallel eachother ). The fact that some areas arent completely identical, I attribute to this: George Lucas is no dummy. Plagiarism can be costly. I contend he changed things just enough to make arguments like yours stick. He may be a no talent hack, but like I said; he's no dummy.<img src=http://www.net-benefits.net/emoticons/truth.gif ALT=":truth">

[Dan6814]

No, Saruman doesn't ever find redemption; he's evil until the end.

Dan

[Samopolis]

And it's not like you'd see anything interesting anyway; the movies are 90% digital.

But that's reason 25! The oversaturation of CGI!

25 - Oversaturation of CGI

I honestly don't think it outlandish to say that at any given point in AOTC seventy percent of what you are seeing is computer generated. We're not just talking Yoda and a few spaceships here. Whole sets and crucial characters find themselves tangibly-challenged. Granted, the power of CGI technology has grown immensely in the last decade (even in the three years since Episode I) yet it is still unable to present a compelling alternative to reality.

Indeed, CGI has transformed the vast, scary, and exciting universe of Star Wars into a campy, almost cartoonish wonderland. Gone is the harsh, brooding presence that the Tunisian desert gave to Luke Skywalker's home planet Tatooine. In it's place we see computer-generated sand dunes, whose uniform texture and lighting cheapen the experience in a serious way. Yoda, once a painstakingly constructed and manipulated puppet, now zooms around in a floating chair and pulls the kind of mid-air acrobatics that would make Keeanu Reeves drool. As a child watching The Empire Strikes Back, nothing drove home the invincible might of the Empire more than the fearsome AT-AT walkers slowly, unbendingly marching their way across the ice world of Hoth, bringing death and destruction to the brave Rebellion. The size and scope of the equivalent battle at the conclusion of AOTC is much larger and much more visually impressive (thanks to CGI), yet somehow rings very, very hollow. Natalie Portman running around in an obnoxious Britney Spears getup really didn't help, either.

To boot, computer imagery seems to have played a major role in the degradation of the film's dialouge. Chemistry between characters is perhaps the most important component of any script and AOTC falls nothing short of completely flat on its face in this crucial category. Imagine an actor standing in front of a CGI screen, reciting his lines to a CGI senator in a CGI office on a CGI planet and its little wonder how the human element got lost in the mix. It really does seem long, long ago in a galaxy very far away that Alec Guiness sat down with Mark Hamill on a swamp log to discuss good, evil, truth and the Force. Even a single line of his graceful Kenobian wisdom ("Bury your feelings deep down, Luke. They do you credit, but could be made to serve the Emperor.") would have been a lifesaver amongst the clumsiness of Lucas' script.

But that's reason # 26.

[patio11]

If my friends make me see another 3 star wars movies, I will slit my own throat.

Patrick McKenzie

[Corax]

It is tragic he did not have the money to film the episodes in the order in which he originally wrote them nor wait until the technology needed to complete the whole was availible.
Yet he started a technlogical revolution that recently gave us The Matrix, Gladiator, LOR, Scoobie Doo the Movie redone Star Wars and the first two episodes leading up to IV.

I could understand someone who thinks a Hobbit Hole was derived from the Tele-Tubbies may be on the same wave-length as those who are hateful of George Lucas.

Conflict resolution or morality plays, heroic fantasy and adventure fiction in general seemingly have nothing but the names, time frame and location changed while dealing with the same thing: good vs evil.
Some just don't appreciate them as "rompin, good, fun".

I have heard some refer to their parents and grandparents as idiots or stupid for spending hours in line for episode IV, V and VI in original theatrical release.
Evidently someone forgot they where in the same lines as children.
Then they insult those same parents and grandparents for standing in long lines for the re-release and then standing in line for Episodes I and II, yet their detractors where in those same lines.
They did not turn down babysitting offers and free tickets from those "idiots" or stop at coerceing babysitting duties. Some borrowed money to see those films or buy the DVD release because the budget didn't allow for it.
If someone stole your property you would seek appropriate redress. Why is it all right to give away what is not owned if it is only the property of the mind or a motion picture studio?

I must re-evalate the cinematic acheivments of so many creative people who have associated with George Lucas or been influenced by his innovations as they may be unacceptable as well.

In closing let me say: "If the shoe fits, wear it!"

[Vegetathalas]

It is tragic he did not have the money to film the episodes in the order in which he originally wrote them nor wait until the technology needed to complete the whole was availible.

I'm quite glad, actually. I don't think the movie would have been nearly as popular with the target audience if the hero they were supposed to root for was some kid who kept hitting on a teenage girl and had too many meta-whatevers running around in his system. The bad acting, lack of swashbuckingly coolness, less awe factor, etc. would have ensured a flop.

Eek! Jar-Jar Binks would have singlehandedly eliminated the coolness that was Darth Vader from the stream of time! NOOOO! TOO TERRIBLE TO EVEN THINK ABOUT!!!

Hobbit Hole was derived from the Tele-Tubbies

Huh?

:laser

[THE DING]

I wondered about the "tele-tubby" thing myself until my one and only braincell kicked in....it was on one of the many LOR threads....but I haven't invested the time to search it. Don't think I will.

Agree with evaluation in your post above but I guess we will never know how the dynamics would have worked unless we get brain-wiped and plugged into a parallel universe where we experience it and then come back to this one with "complete knowledge" restored of why we went through that in the first place. Don't see that happening any time soon.

I also recognize some of the other things mentioned in Corax post....thought I was nuts for a while....nice to know I'm just crazy.

I, as a grandparent, will be standing in those lines until Episode IX (almost typed nine..don't use Roman Numerals too much any more)as I have been doing with children since the whole thing started. (Pavlov...where is the dog..Bark Bark) But there is no way in hell I'll let myself get sucked into free baby sitting or doing the "parent spoil the kid thing" by buying tickets or vhs or dvd again! (Thank you Corax.)

Episode IX....by the time it gets here a matinee ticket could well have inflated to gargantuan proportions...2 or 3 hundred bucks a pop. (You don't think I pay full fare do you...I may be crazy but I ain't 'tupid)
:grin

[syphos]

""I describe it as a 'Titanic' in space. It's a real tearjerker, and it will be received in a way that none of us can expect," he told theater owners at the ShoWest convention"

wonderful, bloody peasant.

[Samopolis]

Oh god, I forgot that the new Star Wars movie is out soon.

Even more adventures in terrible screenwriting, contrived romances, and way, way too much CGI.

The prequel trilogy has wrecked Star Wars. Thanks for bumping the thread, Jed. It's good to hate on Lucas.

*prays for Grand Admiral Thrawn to appear*

[patio11]

The only thing that will make #3 worthwhile is if George Lucas takes a page from Tarantino, gets a bit-part in his own film, and is tortured to death by Jawas and Jar-Jar only to be rescued by Darth Vader, who proceeds to torture him *even more* and then force-choke him to demonstrate that he still has a shred of humanity after all that genocidal business. I expect this scene to be accessible in no more than two clicks on the DVD version -- we're talking "Play, Scene Selection, Languages, George Lucas Tortured To Death".

Patrick McKenzie

[Db8dorkzAnon]

:angry doesn't begin to describe how i felt last night as i'm walking through waldenbooks and see a wall covered with star wars books and whatnot. cool, i read most of those books and was contemplating buying the episode iv novelization because that's the only one of the original trilogy i'd never read.

so i pick up what i thought was a new comic book about the clone wars just to flip through and see cool lightsaber fighting.

and then it hit me. like a ton of bricks in my stomach.

i was looking at the comic book adaptation of episode 3, and since i was flipping through it backwards, i saw it.

the final scene

after promising myself i wouldn't ruin the whole movie like i did 1 and 2 by reading all of the spoilers and preview magazines, i saw it.

that was 12 hours ago and i'm still really fucking pissed that Lucas would release the novel and the comics for the movie...over a month before it even hits the theatres.

i never thought id say this, but george you are a cocksucker.

and i don't mean that in a good way

[Alan]

Well, to be fair to George, most of the details of Episode III are known to Star Wars fans. I've never read any of the novelizations or comic books. My only exposure to the Star Wars universe is the movies, and a couple of the games, plus talking to other folks, and even I know what to expect in terms of the third movie, mainly because I've seen Episodes IV-VI....

Alan

[shea_d]

Hehe, you're kidding. You mean Anakin is really going to become Darth Vader?!? *tear*

[Speaknsmile]

Harry Potter came out in book before movie... doesn't mean you still cannot enjoy it ;)

[Cait Ross]

#34
Having previews featuring Wookies and scenes from the original gives me false hope.

[Db8dorkzAnon]

1. wookies are a big part of episode 3, not sure where the 'false hope' comes from.

2. yes, of course I know the basic plot elements and that "gasp" he turns into vader. but one of the few 'surprises' left for the last movie is how very specific details/moments within the history between 2 and 4 will take place and unfortunately i know of one significant moment before i wanted to.

3. harry potter - false analogy. those are movies based on books, not novelization of film. most people that enjoy HP (that i know of) enjoy the books far moreso than the movies and can do without the movies. not true at all of star wars fans.


ok. 'nuff ranting.

[Samopolis]

*BUMP*

#35 - Stealing the www.20q.net framework for a shameless Burger King promotion: www.sithsense.com

[Euphrates]

#36
He went to USC.