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stannard67
07-26-03, 10:36 PM
Let's see...send them impetuously into harms way, say "bring them on," and then fuck them over on pay and benefits. Sounds really supportive, doesn't it? I especially love the Republicans' decision NOT to increase the benefits for the families of those who die on active duty. (My family and friends with children and siblings in the military love it too. They thank Bush and the repubs every day for it). mjs

Shafting, Not 'Supporting,' the Troops
Bill Berkowitz, WorkingForChange.com
July 25, 2003

The Bush Administration is giving new meaning to the phrase "support the troops."


A few weeks back President Bush arguably placed the troops stationed in Iraq in even greater harm's way by uttering his now infamous "Bring them on!" comment when asked about the increasing attacks and mounting US casualties. Shortly after his comment, Army Times posed this question to its readers: "What do you think about the 'bring them on' challenge President Bush issued July 2 from the White House, referring to those who attack U.S. troops in Iraq?" Nearly sixty percent agreed with the statement, "It was irresponsible and unnecessarily placed the lives of U.S. troops in even greater danger." Nearly 40 percent said that "It showed U.S. resolve and confidence in troops to finish the job in Iraq." (Poll results as of July 23, 2003)


On July 23rd, after experiencing a week of anger and criticism from some of the troops in Iraq and their families at home, the Pentagon finally announced a troop-rotation plan. The "long-awaited" plan is aimed at relieving "the weary military personnel in Iraq with fresh American and international troops in the coming months, with most U.S. soldiers facing yearlong deployments," Reuters reported.


A new Army brigade (about 5,000 troops) "built around the high-tech 'Stryker' armored vehicle" will be sent and the plan "also calls for activating thousands more Army National Guard soldiers," according to Reuters. Acting Army Chief of Staff Gen. Jack Keane told a Pentagon briefing that the replacements are likely to face one-year deployments.


Eight days before, thousands of soldiers from the 3rd Infantry Division learned that they wouldn't be heading home anytime soon. Stepped up attacks against occupation forces and the refusal by other countries to send troops to the country caused division commander Maj. Gen. Buford C. Blount III to revise his estimate as to when the troops would be reunited with their families, AP reported. This reversal by Maj. Gen. Blount happened just days after he said "he hoped the division's 1st and 2nd Brigade Combat Teams of roughly 9,000 soldiers could return home to Fort Stewart within the next six weeks."


The 3rd Infantry Division -- which spearheaded the attack on Baghdad -- sent 16,500 troops to Iraq and thusfar has suffered some 36 deaths -- more than any other unit in Iraq. "The units have been ordered to stay 'due to the uncertainty of the situation in Iraq and the recent increase in attacks on the coalition forces,'" Blount informed the families of the troops in an e-mail message that had been obtained by The Associated Press.


The troops in Iraq are suffering "from low morale that has in some cases hit 'rock bottom,'" the Christian Science Monitor recently reported. And last week, several soldiers vented their frustration to U.S. television news reporters. "If Donald Rumsfeld were here, I'd ask him for his resignation," one disgruntled soldier told ABC's "Good Morning America" show, Reuters reported. "It pretty much makes me lose faith in the Army," Pfc. Jason Punyhotra of the 3rd Infantry told ABC News in Fallujah, Iraq. "I don't really believe anything they tell me. If they told me we were leaving next week, I wouldn't believe them."


"I've got my own 'Most Wanted' list," a sergeant at the 2nd Battle Combat Team Headquarters referring to the Administration deck of most wanted Iraqis, told ABC News' Jeffrey Kofman. "The aces in my deck are Paul Bremer, Donald Rumsfeld, George Bush and Paul Wolfowitz," he said.


Going public with these comments quickly became a story within a story. In a classic attempt to kill the messenger, a White House official allegedly passed along information to Matt Drudge, of the very popular online Drudge Report, that reporter Kofman is not only gay, but he is also a Canadian.


One officer later told the San Francisco Chronicle's Robert Collier "It was the end of the world. It went all the way up to President Bush and back down again on top of us. At least six of us here will lose our careers."


While the dangerous and difficult conditions in Iraq, combined with the unforeseen extension of their tour of duty fueled flagging morale, a recent editorial in Army Times shed light on a series of homeland developments that may add more fuel to that fire.


According to Army Times, proposals that would have added "various pay-and-benefits incentives to the 2004 defense budget" are now considered "wasteful and unnecessary" by the Republican-controlled Congress.


The June 30th Army Times editorial said the troops were getting the "nickel-and-dime treatment" from the Republican-controlled Congress. Some might call it getting the shaft.


According to Army Times, the GOP-controlled Congress has:



Canceled a "modest proposal" to increase the benefit from $6,000 to $12,000 to families of soldiers who die on active duty;


"Roll[ed] back recent modest increases in monthly imminent-danger pay (from $225 to $150) and family-separation allowance (from $250 to $100) for troops getting shot at in combat zones";


Refused to consider "military tax relief... that would be a boon to military homeowners, reservists who travel long distances for training and parents deployed to combat zones, among others";


Passed pay raises for "some [higher] ranks," but "cap[ped] raises for E-1s, E-2s and O-1s at 2 percent, well below the average raise of 4.1 percent";


Accepted a $1.5 billion cut in the military construction request for 2004: A proposal by Rep. David Obey, D-Wis., senior Democrat on the House Appropriations Committee, to restore $1 billion of the $1.5 billion cut by "cover[ing] that cost by trimming recent tax cuts for the roughly 200,000 Americans who earn more than $1 million a year... [who would receive $83,500] instead of... $88,300," was defeated.

Army Times: "Taken piecemeal, all these corner-cutting moves might be viewed as mere flesh wounds. But even flesh wounds are fatal if you suffer enough of them. It adds up to a troubling pattern that eventually will hurt morale -- especially if the current breakneck operations tempo also rolls on unchecked and the tense situations in Iraq and Afghanistan do not ease."


The chickenhawks running the show at the White House should be embarrassed by their support for these measures. The media needs to ask why the troops are receiving this shabby treatment. And, with so little financial support for their families, it's not surprising that the death and destruction the soldiers experience on foreign soil frequently follow them home. America's politicos are always at the head of the pack when it comes to waving the flag, wearing the lapel pins, putting up the yellow ribbons and mouthing empty slogans. As Army Times pointed out: "Talk is cheap -- and getting cheaper by the day."

thedancingbear
07-27-03, 01:38 PM
This is one of those "sleeper" issues that is almost unbelievable the first time you hear it and then as you hear it more and more, you start to wonder "How are more people not talking about this?"

It really is a stunning act of hypocrisy.

IS

Pattybar
07-27-03, 07:08 PM
The fact of it is that the military and their families are only a good political cause for the first bit of the war --- after that it is back to being shafted --- Republicans and Democrats alike...

Patty

patio11
07-27-03, 09:23 PM
Just a bit on the death benefit -- they do get subsidized life insurance that pays over $100k, which tends to get ignored when this issue is brought up. God knows you'll rarely find me opposing a increase in military appropriations but lets keep the harms honest.

Patrick McKenzie

patio11
07-27-03, 10:24 PM
Well, I looked it up. Obligatory disclaimer on trusting what you find on the Internet, but I'm reading that 98% of servicemen get the benefit, and the recent rate reduction (went into effect July 1st) effectively gives you an extra $47,000 in life insurance benefits*, which makes the repeal of the "modest increase in death benefits" a wash in every way.

I'm also reading that there are no exclusions to the policy short "[being] found guilty of mutiny, treason, spying, or desertion, or refus[ing], because of conscientious objections, to perform service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or refus[ing] to wear the uniform of such force". Their official website explicitly covers victims of terrorist attacks and casualties of war.

So, well, I'm not seeing the harm here, at least on the death benefits. Aside from it being stupid politically.

Patrick McKenzie

sources:

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aava012703.htm
http://www.insurance.va.gov/SgliSite/SGLI/mythsRumors.htm

*calculation : It used to be 8 cents per $1,000 of coverage up to $250,000. It is now 6.5 cents per $1,000 of coverage up to $250,000. This means buying $203,000 under the old policy and $250,000 under the new policy costs you the same per month. If you were previously buying less than $200,000 of insurance, the change gives you either a 19% premium reduction or 19% extra coverage, your choice. The only downside, if you can call it that, is that if you were already capped at the maximum you can't choose to increase the insurance you get, although you still get the reduced premium.

thedancingbear
07-27-03, 10:26 PM
I have a feeling Jason may know this one. :)

IS

airassault101
07-30-03, 05:01 AM
o.k. seeing as that is one of my jobs at ar-perscom (army reserve perssonel command) i guess i will comment.

1. sgli covers both service member and spouse (sm up to $250 k and spouse to 100k....child is 10 k for free)...the sgli rates have dropped to a lower price than before..so the benefit has increased while the price has dropped. talk also has the benefit rising to 300k in the near future.

2. family sep pay....the article says the army and the rep controlled congress lowered it....no they did not...infact when the increase from $100 to $250 happened everyone knew it was a temp increase...in fact we are trying to extend that increase time out to 2 years from 1.

3. pay increases were not capped at 2%...actually the raise will be 3.7% up from the normal 1.3% we got during the Clinton years....with e-1 thru e-4's getting up to a 4.6% increase

4.tax breaks are still in effect as well as soliders and sailors act to help deployed families.

5. haz duty pay will go back up according to the amount of hostilities in the theatre.

6. irr mob's will continue to happen on mos need base

7. soliders my take a percentage of pay out for thrift savings during this time period...to include 100% of all special pays

8. BAH will increase again this year by an average of 4%.

any other questions just ask.


leading from the front
LT

AR-PERSCOM...Taking care of soliders

stannard67
07-30-03, 06:45 AM
Jason:

Are you planning on sharing your final project with us concerning freedom of expression in the military? It sounds very interesting, and I am inclined to agree that many of the current restrictions seem unnecessary for security or morale...in fact, perhaps more freedom of expression in the military would BOOST, rather than undermine, morale.

In any event, I'm looking forward to your conclusions.

stannard

airassault101
07-30-03, 10:05 AM
send me those questions again to the following:
ken.dobbe@arpstl.army.mil

i'll do my best to track them down for you or put u in contact with the right people....i can't access nb from work.

LT

Prez
07-31-03, 09:17 PM
By Rush Limbaugh:

I think the vast differences in compensation between
victims of the September 11 casualty and those who die
serving the country in Uniform are profound. No one
is really talking about it either, because you just
don't criticize anything having to do with September
11. Well, I just can't let the numbers pass by
because it says something really disturbing about the
entitlement mentality of this country. If you lost a
family member in the September 11 attack, you're going
to get an average of $1,185,000. The range is a
minimum guarantee of $250,000, all the way up to $4.7
million.

If you are a surviving family member of an American
soldier killed in action, the first check you get is a
$6,000 direct death benefit, half of which is taxable.
Next, you get $1,750 for burial costs. If you are
the surviving spouse, you get $833 a month until you
remarry. And there's a payment of $211 per month for
each child under 18. When the child hits 18, those
payments come to a screeching halt.

Keep in mind that some of the people who are getting
an average of $1.185 million up to $4.7 million are
complaining that it's not enough. Their deaths were
tragic, but for most, they were simply in the wrong
place at the wrong time. Soldiers put themselves in
harms way FOR ALL OF US, and they and their families
know the dangers.

We also learned over the weekend that some of the
victims from the Oklahoma City bombing have started an
organization asking for the same deal that the
September 11 families are getting. In addition to
that, some of the families of those bombed in the
embassies are now asking for compensation as well.

You see where this is going, don't you? Folks, this
is part and parcel of over 50 years of entitlement
politics in this country. It's just really sad.
Every time a pay raise comes up for the military, they
usually receive next to nothing of a raise. Now the green machine is in combat in the Middle East while
their families have to survive on food stamps and live
in low-rent housing. Make sense?

However, our own U.S. Congress just voted themselves a
raise, and many of you don't know that they only have
to be in Congress one time to receive a pension that
is more than $15,000 per month, and most are now equal
to being millionaires plus. They also do not receive
Social Security on retirement because they didn't have
to pay into the system.

If some of the military people stay in for 20 years
and get out as an E-7, you may receive a pension of
$1,000 per month, and the very people who placed you
in harm's way receive a pension of $15,000 per month.
I would like to see our elected officials pick up a
weapon and join ranks before they start cutting out

benefits and lowering pay for our sons and daughters
who are now fighting.

"When do we finally do something about this?" If this
doesn't seem fair to you, it is time to forward this
to as many people as you can.If your interested there
is more.......................

This must be a campaign issue in 2004. Keep it going.
SOCIAL SECURITY: (This is worth the read. It's short
and to the point.)

Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during
election years. Our Senators and Congressmen do not
pay into Social Security. Many years ago they voted
in their own benefit plan. In more recent years, no
congressperson has felt the need to change it. For
all practical purposes their plan works like this:

When they retire, they continue to draw the same pay
until they! die, except it may increase from time to
time for cost of living adjustments. For example,
former Senator Byrd and Congressman White and their
wives may expect to draw $7,800,000 - that's Seven
Million, Eight Hundred Thousand), with their wives
drawing $275,000.00 during the last years of their
lives.

This is calculated on an average life span for each.

Their cost for this excellent plan is $00.00. These
little perks they voted for themselves is free to
them. You and I pick up the tab for this plan.

The funds for this fine retirement plan come directly
from the General Fund--our tax dollars at work! From our own Social
Security Plan, which you and I pay (or have paid) into
-- every payday until we retire (which amount is
matched by our employer) --we can expect to get an
average $1,000 per month after retirement. Or, in
other words, we would have to col! lect our average of
$1,000 monthly benefits for 68 years and one month to
equal Senator Bill Bradley's benefits!

Social Security could be very good if only one small
change were made. And that change would be to jerk
the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from under the
Senators and Congressmen. Put them into the Social
Security plan with the rest of us and then watch how
fast they would fix it.



I thought this was interesting.. more ironic that I would be posting some of Rush's comments. -B

army CPT
08-04-03, 10:18 AM
while i hate to disagree with rush...he is wrong about the amount of pension a retired individual recievs... my father in law is a retired e-6 and i can tell you he recieves more than $1000 a month.

death benefits....they can always get better....right now 250k paid out withen 24hrs of confirmed death...plus pension ect...


LT

patio11
08-04-03, 11:03 AM
Jason, you're splitting hairs here. Regardless of whether you "win" Benefits T one of your harm areas (soldiers family's devestated by drop in death benefit from $6000 to $3000, completely offset by a factor of ten by a reduction in a premium universally payed) is gone. While your other points have some validity, dogmatic clutching at an argument just because thats what us debaters do when we are in rounds isn't sound.

You also noted yourself that civilian policies exclude war deaths from their payouts routinely, so pointing out the fact that policies similar to the SGLI exist in the civvie sector is comparing apples and oranges. If the two policies are priced identically it means the government is subsidizing the risk of dying in war as opposed to, say, dying in a car accident. Your argument is that for it to count as a benefit the government also has to subsidize the risk of car accidents & etc.

Patrick McKenzie

army CPT
08-04-03, 12:45 PM
jason,
where can i pick up $250 k of life insc. for under 20 bucks outside of the military...without needing a physical etc...

army CPT
08-04-03, 01:39 PM
i haven't forgotten your request....i contacted jag today and am trying to get with PAO on the other issue


LT

army CPT
08-04-03, 02:03 PM
well seeing as how i am not a member of the air farce i do not know about that coverage...how ever i still do not know where you can get 250k of coverage for under 20 bucks...i'll have to check usaa and some other sites.